Monday, December 23, 2013

The Newest Reason Why We Can't Have Chickens

Did you know that being perceived as disrespectful is an actual reason to deprive someone of their Constitutional rights?

Me neither!

But that is the latest reason that the Gwinnett County Commissioners have given for dropping the ball on the zoning clarification that is necessary to put Gwinnett County in alignment with the Constitution of the United States of America.

This email was sent from the Gwinnett County Commissioners office to the most recent citizen battling for the right to provide her family with safe food:

"There was some movement toward changing the ordinance until tone of people wanting hobby chickens became disrespectful.
Michelle works very hard every day too get answers for everyone in my district. They range from minor to very serious issues.
I do not think you would say this is a life threatening matter. The ordenance was in place before you got chickens.
Becuase of your tone I will consider you no longer need our help.
Lynette"
Because of her "tone" this citizen was rejected the help she is due from the very public servant who swore to do that job! Apparently the commissioners only respond to life threatening matters like whether or not the pool at a new building site that none of the community wants will have a cabana.  I had a very amicable meeting with Chairman Nash back in October, and have tried to correspond with both her and Jace Brooks. For the sake of full disclosure, here are my emails to them, in their entirety, none of which received a response.

"Hi Charlotte,
Here is a document, titled "Cato Handbook for Policymakers", that does a better job than I could of outlining the ways that the Constitution truly affects property rights. It also has a great deal to say regarding the concerns you voiced about hashing out the regulations from your standpoint. I've highlighted a couple of quotes below, but I do hope that you will take the time to read this document. You strike me as sincere. 

 "The first problem, as noted earlier, is the modern permitting regime. We would not stand for speech or religion or most other rights to be enjoyed only by permit. Yet that is what we do today with property rights, which places enormous, often arbitrary, power in the hands of federal, state, and local ‘‘planners.’’ Driven by political goals and considerations— notwithstanding their pretense to ‘‘smart growth’’—planning commissions open the application forum not only to those whose rights might be at stake but to those with interests in the matter. Thus is the common-law distinction between rights and interests blurred and eventually lost. Thus is the matter transformed from one of protecting rights to one of deciding whose ‘‘interests’’ should prevail. Thus are property rights effectively politicized. And that is the end of the matter for most owners because that is as far as they can afford to take it." 
"In this last connection, however, the first thing Congress should do is recognize candidly that the problem of regulatory takings begins with regulation. Doubtless the Founders did not think to specify that regulatory takings are takings too, and thus are subject to the Just Compensation Clause, because they did not imagine the modern regulatory state: they did not envision our obsession with regulating every conceivable human activity and our insistence that such activity—residential, business, what have you—take place only after a grant of official permission. In some areas of business today, we have almost reached the point at which it can truly be said that everything that is not permitted is prohibited. That is the opposite, of course, of our founding principle: everything that is not prohibited is permitted—where ‘‘permitted’’ means ‘‘freely allowed,’’ not allowed ‘‘by permit.’’
"Homeowners; developers; farmers and ranchers; mining and timber companies; and businesses large and small, profit making and not for profit, all have horror stories about regulatory hurdles they confront when they want to do something, particularly with real property. Many of those regulations are legitimate, of course, especially if they are aimed, preemptively, at securing genuine rights. But many more are aimed at providing some citizens with benefits at the expense of other citizens. They take rights from some to benefit others. " 
"Under common law, properly applied, people cannot use their property in ways that damage their neighbors’ property—defined, again, as taking things those neighbors hold free and clear. Properly conceived and applied, then, property rights are self-limiting: they constitute a judicially crafted and enforced regulatory scheme in which rights of active use end when they encroach on the property rights of others. "

"If we take the text seriously, as we should, the clause speaks simply of ‘‘private property.’’ As the quote earlier from Madison suggests, ‘‘property’’ denotes not just some ‘‘underlying estate’’ but all the estates—all the uses—that can rightly be made of a holding. In fact, in every area of property law except regulatory takings we recognize that property is a ‘‘bundle of sticks,’’ any one of which can be bought, sold, rented, bequeathed, what have you. Yet takings law has clung to the idea that only if the entire bundle is taken does government have to pay compensation.
That view enables government to extinguish nearly all uses through regulation—and hence to regulate nearly all value out of property— yet escape the compensation requirement because the all-but-empty title remains with the owner."
"The principled approach requires, of course, that the Court have a basic understanding of the theory of the matter and a basic grasp of how to resolve conflicting claims about use in a way that respects the equal rights of all. That is hardly a daunting task, as the old common-law judges demonstrated. In general, the presumption is on the side of active use, as noted earlier, until some plaintiff demonstrates that such use takes the quiet enjoyment that is his by right—and the defendant’s right as well. At that point the burden shifts to the defendant to justify his use: absent some defense like the prior consent of the plaintiff, the defendant may have to cease his use—or, if his activity is worth it, offer to buy an easement or buy out the plaintiff. Thus, a principled approach respects equal rights of quiet enjoyment—and hence environmental integrity. But it also enables active uses to go forward—though not at the expense of private or public rights. Users can be as active as they wish, provided they handle the ‘‘externalities’’ they create in a way that respects the rights of others. " 

Have a great week!
Melissa Burgess"

When I did not receive a response within a week or so, I emailed again:

"Hey Charlotte,
I know you stay pretty busy, but I'd love it if you got a chance to read the document I sent over last month. It would be very helpful to you in fleshing out the concern you have over property rights. It also clears up some confusion pertaining to what is sometimes erroneously referred to as a neighbor's "right" over someone else's property. The correct word to use would be "interest". I found that point particularly helpful, and I hope you do to.
Have a great week!
Melissa Burgess"

Here is what I sent Mr. Brooks over two months ago. I'm still patiently waiting for a response:

"Hey Jace,
I enjoyed the public forum meeting last month. I think you'll find my spin on what happened with the community group interesting. I posted it here:
"Based on what I saw at the Public Forum, a community group is not going to help me.
Mr. Jenkins, of Rocklyn Homes, did not have a community group and he was granted the zoning changes he requested for the property that he owns, despite opposition from District 1, and even after admitting that this wasn’t going to work out entirely well for the whole community.
If the Gwinnett County Commission will be consistent in their respect of property rights and granting zoning changes based on the wishes of the property owner, has yet to be seen."
I'm still hoping this can be a simple zoning clarification that will be processed soon. I've been trying to find out how to get on the agenda and can't seem to get an answer from anyone. I'll be meeting with Chairman Nash tomorrow afternoon.
Sincerely,
Melissa Burgess"
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 I could beat a dead horse and go on and on sharing my emails, but I think these are sufficient examples. There hasn't been any rudeness from one single citizen of Gwinnett County, and even so, that is not a good reason to deny us our personal liberty to quiet enjoyment of our own properties. If there were any rudeness, I'd say that completely ignoring citizens that pay their taxes, and in turn your paycheck, is quite rude, wouldn't you?
The fifth amendment to the Constitution states that no private property shall be taken for public use without just compensation. 
When the county of Gwinnett tells me that I can't have chickens on MY property because the "public" doesn't want me to, they are effectively taking my property from me and stating that it belongs to them to use as they see fit. And they don't see fit to allow chickens. Actually, they owe me money for prohibiting me from using my property. This is not a stretch. The Cato Institute has done an excellent job hashing this out in this document.

So, what can you do? Write to the County Commissioners. Call and request a meeting. Go to the public forum meetings and keep insisting on your right. If you need help getting started on any of that, I've type it all out for you here.  Please don't hesitate to comment and ask if you need help! I'm happy to proofread your emails and offer pointers.

Merry Christmas!

Monday, November 11, 2013

What are we going to do about all the complaints about all the people who don't want to keep chickens?

A friend and I attended the September Public Forum Meeting and boy did we get a show! The County Commissioners were so happy to rezone an entire 130+ acres in order to honor the Constitutional rights of the would be property owner, who happens to be a developer that was involved in previous bribery charges against former commissioners. I wrote all about it here. 

The County Commissioners did not like that I called them to accountability and questioned: If you are going to honor the Constitutional Property rights and rezone an entire plot of land against the wishes of the community around it, then are you going to be consistent and change the zoning laws to honor my property rights?

The answer to that is a big fat no.

I met with Chairman Charlotte Nash shortly after publishing that editorial. Here are her concerns:


  • The rights of the people who do not want to live next door to chickens.
  • Forcing people to comply with the standards that Code Enforcement will be carrying out (coop size, location, number of birds, etc.)
  • Keeping up with Cobb County
  • Not that many people want chickens
  • How are we going to deal with all the complaints about people having chickens
Measuring that against the vision statement of the Gwinnett County Commissioners, I'd say it falls pretty short.

As you can see, her last two points don't even make sense. If not that many people even WANT chickens, then not many people are going to keep chickens, which means that not that many complaints are going to be made.

Also, I hope I don't even have to point out to you that there has never ever ever in the entire history of the world, in no period of time, been the "right to not let your neighbors...." It is NOT a Constitutional right to disallow your neighbors to quietly enjoy their property. It's just not. 

However, it IS a Constitutional right to keep chickens or donkeys or geese or azaleas or whatever else you want on your property, so long as it doesn't disturb your neighbor's right to quiet enjoyment of their own property. 

The most appropriate response to these asinine arguments has already been written out by the Cato Institute in their Handbook for Policymakers


 "The first problem, as noted earlier, is the modern permitting regime. We would not stand for speech or religion or most other rights to be enjoyed only by permit. Yet that is what we do today with property rights, which places enormous, often arbitrary, power in the hands of federal, state, and local ‘‘planners.’’ Driven by political goals and considerations— notwithstanding their pretense to ‘‘smart growth’’—planning commissions open the application forum not only to those whose rights might be at stake but to those with interests in the matter. Thus is the common-law distinction between rights and interests blurred and eventually lost. Thus is the matter transformed from one of protecting rights to one of deciding whose ‘‘interests’’ should prevail. Thus are property rights effectively politicized. And that is the end of the matter for most owners because that is as far as they can afford to take it." 
The Handbook is an excellent guide to understanding how Constitutional issues should be fleshed out. It's definitely worth a read, and you should pull your favorite quote and email it to each of the Commissioners. I did! 

However, I haven't gotten any response. The Gwinnett County Commissioners are, for all intents and purposes, completely ignoring our issue. They are simply not interested in valuing our concerns and our rights. They have left us no choice but to see to it that they are not reelected and that this is the end of their political careers. I'm on board for this completely.

Charlotte Nash is more interested in Cobb County. Cobb County wants property owners to have to get their properties surveyed (a cost of around $450) and then pay a fine in order to keep chickens, after you get the signed consent of your neighbors.

This is mockery and should not be accepted.

As we read in the Cato Handbook, the government should actually be paying us when they restrict the use of our land! We do not pay them to restrict us. This should never make sense to any clear thinking individual.

I tried to tell the Gwinnett County Commissioners about how well allowing chickens is going in Dekalb County. They recently had their Urban Coop Tour to celebrate the way that chickens are beneficial to the earth and to healthy communities. The Commissioners did not seem interested in this since it isn't Cobb County. (NO, that is not a typo, Chairman Nash told me she wants to follow Cobb County.) Many other counties around us have no laws written in regards to chickens. Fulton County has very generous allowances for chickens, and absolutely no chickens problems to report. Most of the examples I could find of zoning allowances for chickens were found in city zoning laws, not county. Why Gwinnett County has a bug up their britches in regards to chickens is beyond me. But these Commissioners are solidly against it.

Tommy Hunter is friendly to the idea, but I haven't seen any solid show support from him yet. This is probably because if he were to try to bring the issue to a vote, the other Commissioners would shoot it down immediately.

Because all the people who don't want to keep chickens might cause a lot of complaining from the people who have the right for their neighbors not to keep chickens and this would really overwhelm the Quality of Life Police Division (aka Code Enforcement) as they seek to make sure that people are not enjoying their own properties too much.

So, what are you going to do about it, Gwinnett County? Are you going to sit idly by and watch your rights be trampled on?

Email the Commissioners. Request a meeting. This matters.

Tuesday, September 17, 2013

What's Next?

Wow, the Gwinnett County Commissioners really have their game set. A property owner makes a request, they say no, and then ignore them until they go away. This is not acceptable.

Many of us are keeping chickens peacefully and quietly and our neighbors don't mind. But there are plenty that don't have neighbors that respect their property rights. And it doesn't make it okay to just let a freedom slip away.

Next Tuesday at 7 pm is the public forum for zoning requests, and I'm planning to attend and plenty willing to approach the podium and speak. Here is the link for more details on the county meetings.

It would be great if as many folks as possible could also attend. If you want to speak, it's a free country (sort of, for now), but these are the talking points that will be most helpful to our cause.

Mainly: We are advocating for a zoning clarification that meets the needs of ALL Gwinnett county residents. There is a minority that is being denied its rights, that is being ignored, blown off, and patronized, in favor of a fickle majority. And ALSO, we need to keep pointing out that we are talking about HOBBY LEVEL KEEPING. Not urban farming, not backyard chickens. We need to get away from the agricultural terms.

These meetings are monthly, and we should go to every single one.

Aside from that, a liaison has been introduced to try to draw up terms that everyone can agree on. She is scheduling meetings with commissioners, just like me, and it takes 6 to 8 weeks just to get in to see them. But they HAVE to sit there and listen at the public forums. ;)

If you haven't yet, contact the commissioners via email! It's easy! Their email addresses are listed in this post as well as tips for what to say.

Leave us a comment and let us all know what you hear back!

Wednesday, August 21, 2013

Progress Report

Yesterday I attended the County Commissioner's Business Meeting at the Gwinnett Justice and Administration Building. I was relieved to find out it was only 25 minutes long. Find out about opportunities to visit your commissioners here and remember these talking points to stick to.

Afterwards I met with Commissioner Tommy Hunter (District 3) who completely agrees that our property rights are being stomped on regarding the issue of responsibly keeping back yard hens.

Then I met with another commissioner. These are essentially the reasons she gave me as to why Gwinnett County should not rewrite zoning to allow for backyard hens as we conversed:

  1. neighborhoods don't want chickens
  2. chickens cannot be kept inside like dogs
  3. Fulton County has spitting ostriches
  4. A neighborhood in Norcross is overrun with wild chickens
It may seem like I'm being condescending, but make no mistake: the Gwinnett County Commissioners, save Tommy Hunter, are the ones being condescending. In case she mistakenly thought I was uninformed of my rights or unaware of the 14th Amendment, or lacking a portion of my brain, I easily deflected each of these arguments this way:

  1. I'm not advocating for neighborhood chickens. I'm advocating for securing property rights to have chickens on my property, that I pay taxes on, in such a way that does not disturb the rights of the neighbors around me who do not want chickens in their yard. But they don't get to say what I have in my yard that they can't see, hear, or smell. 
  2. Do I look stupid? People do not keep their dogs inside at all times. They walk them around to poop in everyone else's yards. They take them to the park. They keep them in their backyards to bark at every living thing that passes by all day. This argument is ridiculous and, like all the other arguments I've heard against my right as a property owner to keep chickens in my own back yard, doesn't hold a drop of water.
  3. Are you high? (Just kidding, I didn't say that. But I did just laugh and move on.)
  4. That neighborhood is not my problem. It's been overrun with chickens for several years and I guarantee you that if the people that lived there were voters and citizens, the problem would have been dealt with already. Not to mention, the reason the few chickens were initially abandoned there was because of Gwinnett's overly prohibitive zoning against chickens. 
I'm sharing these points so you can see how your conversations and visits with the commissioners are going to go. There isn't a lot of sensible talk that is going to happen, but you should still call, still email, still make appointments with them.

Previous people have tried to communicate with the Commissioners of Gwinnett County and have stopped once they were given these flimsy fickle responses. The Commissioners are pulling things out of their behinds and they don't care because no one has held them accountable or grouped together in any way that was effective until now.

They are going to give you arbitrary and easily debunked reasons why you should not be allowed to have chickens. We must always counter with solid, evidence-based reasons why our personal liberties need to be protected that point to the fact that there is a simple zoning clarification that could be written in that is good for all residents of Gwinnett.

We are not advocating that everyone have chickens.
We are not advocating that people get to disturb the comfort of their neighbors with noisy, smelly chickens.

We are advocating for a zoning clarification that meets the needs of ALL Gwinnett county residents. There is a minority that is being denied it's rights, that is being ignored, blown off, and patronized, in favor of a fickle majority.

And according to the Gwinnett County website, one of the values of the Gwinnett County Commission is:  We believe in honesty, fairness, and respect for all. We believe in stewardship of public resources, protection of the environment, and that all citizens should expect to live and work in a clean and secure community. 


The plan for now is we continue emailing, continue calling, continue trying to get meetings with these Commissioners and we form a group. The fourth Tuesday of every month are open to public requests and we will attend these meetings every month and keep... well, we're going to keep bothering them.

Comment here and let us know how it's going for you as you approach all of the commissioners!

Tuesday, August 13, 2013

Talking Points for Communicating with Gwinnett County

It is important that our voice is unified and intelligent to be effective with our County Commissioners when we speak with them. Please limit yourself to the following talking points. Pick a couple and start emailing! Our Commissioners need to hear from us. They work.for.you. Your taxes pay them...to do what? Limit your freedoms? Impose ridiculous ordinances that allow for large pot bellied pigs but not small hens?

We are choosing email as our method of contact because we have their word in writing and can hold them to it. When you email, do not be nervous. Government officials are people, just like you and me. They have families and car problems and roofs that leak. They probably even have nasty neighbors. Be respectful but firm. 

Email NOW. Get your neighbors to email. Get your friends to email. Call if you have to. And don't forget to end every conversation by asking them when you can expect to hear back from them on the matter. 

Some of the wording below may sound businesslike. That's because politics is business. 


  • This prohibition against me raising chickens in my own yard is unreasonable and unsupportable. It's absurd to require that I have three acres to keep even one chicken on my own property, yet I can keep a pot bellied pig on as little as half an acre. This is unjustifiable and this ordinance needs to be clarified for the reasonable allowance of poultry immediately.
  • People are *already* keeping chickens in Gwinnett County. They are being abused by neighbors who use the presence of the chickens against code as opportunity to manipulate them. (Example: property owner asks neighbor to please keep their dog leashed and off of their property. Neighbor responds by threatening to call code enforcement on property owner for their chickens as a means to "get away with" being careless.) 
  • On that note: The Fourteenth Amendment makes it the job of government officials to protect the rights of the minority from the fickle majority. We should not be held to some arbitrary higher standard because we chose to have chickens instead of yappy dogs or an open pipe Harley. The County Commissioners should serve to make sure that your right to liberty and fair and reasonable use of your own property is not infringed on by whiney neighbors who arbitrarily maliciously don't respect your liberty.
  • Many cities and counties around the country allow for the responsible keeping of backyard hens. These cities and counties do not have chicken problems and are not over run with chickens. Gwinnett County has an overly oppressive chicken ordinance and does have a chicken problem in two neighborhoods. This indicates that an all out forbiddance of chickens is not working. If chickens were reasonably allowed on private property, neighbors could have taken the chickens of these families when they moved, without fear, or other chicken owners nearby could have taken them in. Creating an anti-chicken ordinance is not good for Gwinnett County.

Email addresses of Gwinnett County Commissioners


For your inspiration, below are the emails I sent to each commissioner (Except Tommy Hunter because I had previously been in contact with him and just picked up where I left off.)

Hi Lynette,

I am a new property owner to Gwinnett County and am surprised to hear that the zoning is so outdated as to lump chickens in with cows and bulls, but allows for pot bellied pigs. I'm sure with your experience in working out zoning issues with the Gwinnett County Planning Commission you may have some advice as to how we can clarify this absurd ordinance to allow for the responsible keeping of a few backyard hens. 

I appreciate your time and response and any advice as to how we can quickly get Gwinnett County up to speed on what is becoming a very popular backyard lifestyle that property owners ought to have the right to.

Thanks again!

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Hi John,I am a new property owner to Gwinnett County and am surprised to hear that the zoning is so outdated as to lump chickens in with cows and bulls, but allows for pot bellied pigs. I'm sure with your experience in growing up on a farm you are aware of the vast differences in keeping scores of chickens and roosters and the clean, quiet, and simple practice of keeping a few backyard hens. Not to mention the filth associated with pigs, being as they are allowed on only half an acre.

I appreciate your time and response and any advice as to how we can quickly get Gwinnett County up to speed on what is becoming a very popular backyard lifestyle that property owners ought to have the right to.

Thanks again!
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Good Morning Charlotte!

I am incredibly interested to hear your stance on clarifying the outdated zoning ordinance that allows for pot bellied pigs on only half an acre of land, but prohibits property owners from responsibly keeping a few back yard hens.

I am aware of your feral chicken problem in your district, so I know already that prohibiting chickens is not working for this county. I also know that allowing pot bellied pigs has not caused the county to be over run with pigs.

I can guess where you stand on the issue of having a neighborhood over run with chickens because of an irresponsible person who obviously has no concern, but I'd like to know where you stand on clarifying the zoning ordinance to allow for the responsible keeping of backyard hens. 

I'm looking forward to your response as well as hearing when we can get this issue officially on the docket for Gwinnett County.

Thank you for your time!
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Hi Jace,

I am a new property owner to Gwinnett County and wanting to find out where you stand on clarifying the outdated zoning ordinance which prohibits property owners from keeping backyard hens.

Thank you for your time!
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Now, if you'd like to comment below and let us know who you contacted and what their response was, that would be very helpful for all of us!

Tuesday, July 30, 2013

How to change Gwinnett County Ordinances

Essentially what we need to be able to keep chickens in Gwinnett County is a zoning clarification.

There are three different meetings each month when this could happen.

What are we waiting for, Gwinnett County?!?

Gwinnett County Commissioners (there are four, two are sympathetic to our cause!) meet at 10 am and 2 pm the first and third Tuesday of every month to conduct business and the fourth Tuesday night of every month at 7 pm to conduct zoning public hearings.  ALL of these meetings allow for public comment at the end.

Soon, I will have a list of brief talking points that will show them that we are a force to be reckoned with! We CAN be polite but firm and get our case heard. 

If we rally and join our voices NOW, this matter could be decided within just a few weeks.  I know many of us are keeping chickens quietly and happily, but many of us also have imposing neighbors who chose to use our chickens as ways to manipulate us or just as an opportunity to be mean. People are being reported to Code Enforcement and even fined $1,000 simply for keeping a few hens for eggs. This is ridiculous. 

Please enter your email address to the right, (mobile users navigate to the "Add Your Voice" page by clicking on the arrow at the top right corner) so that I can keep you up to date on when to call commissioners, talking points on what to say (this is important! We need to have intelligent and unified voices!), and also let you know when to show up at the county meetings to peacefully voice your concern over your right to keep chickens in Gwinnett County. 

Thanks for pitching in! Many counties and cities all around us have successfully done this. Let's give a cluck, Gwinnett County!